Holosync Technology

[rejoice]

Has anyone used holosync technology and if so what are your opinions.
I received the free demo cd and would like to pursue it further...

[TomSKinney]

The rain and singing bowls really get tiresome by Flowering Level 4.

If I had it to do over again, I would have stopped after Awakening Level 1, which was by far the most challenging level for me of all of them. Instead, Transparent Corp's Neuro Programmer 2 is under $100 for a commercial license even - you can distribute what you make - and you can create all the other holosync levels for yourself. You are mostly just paying for the support staff at Centerpointe when you get the other levels from them and the forums through Transparent Corp will usually get an answer for you as fast as the people at Centerpointe - you just can't really get on the phone and call in for the online forums, but I don't think that it is worth thousands of dollars to be able to call the support staff there when you can't even call at night.

[rejoice]

So did you use Centrepoint or would you recommend someone else?

[TomSKinney]

What I mean to say is that I used holosync and completed all the levels.

My advice would be to get the program Neuro Programmer 2 (http://www.transparentcorp.com/products/np/) so you can make your own version of all 13 levels of holosync for the cost of the program and some nature sounds CDs instead of paying thousands of dollars to finish. Bill Harris's book "Thresholds of the Mind" is very good. It used to come with Awakening Prologue from Centerpointe. I got it from Amazon.com and gave the extra copy to a friend. If you think it might take some time to get used to making your own binaural CDs, you might want to get Awakening Prologue and Awakening Level 1. Although at the beginning of the program, they really are the two most challenging levels.

[rejoice]

Thanks for your advice. I am a lazy person by nature and don't want to program anything myself. I have had a look around and want to purchase http://www.brainsync.com/brain.asp?id=40&title=Create-Success but can't pay by paypal. I don't have a credit card, can I transfer this cash by paypal for the mp3 version and then when you get the link just tell me where I can download it...

[TomSKinney]

Neuro Programmer 2 does subliminals as well as binaurals.

It is the same way for me. Downloading an installing NP2 even without having to pay for it - it runs on a trial basis for 14 days - and making my own is impractical. I have paid for an older program with fewer features and even then it takes an unusual situation for me to use it. It is a lot easier to buy a download and burn the MP3.

The Brain Sync site does not appear to let you use PayPal (like you just said), and they only allow you to purchase MP3 files for your own use. It looks like it would be a good product. I bought their "The Secret" MP3 and actually used it for the 6 weeks every night when going to sleep like it instructed. By the end of the 6 weeks it was really hard to get to sleep because the MP3 kept annoying me so much. Other than that, I can't point to any specific results (the 6 weeks ended mid-January).

If you want to record the suggestions on that MP3 download from Brain Sync in your own voice, in a tone as though you are casually talking to yourself or thinking out loud, you can send it to me and I will convert it to a subliminal form and mix it with a theta binaural and send it back to you. It would help to record it in a wav format, especially because I will be sending it back in a wav file - MP3 compression tends to cut out the subliminal portion which will center around 15.5 KHz. I'll send you a PM with where to upload your wav file if you are interested in doing this. Your subconscious mind responds better to your own voice, especially when you talk in a way that resembles the internal chatter we're trying to silence in meditation, than it ever would for a commercial product.

[rejoice]

Thanks for that. I sleep with my ipod many nights anyway so that is no problem.

Thanks for the offer but I'm going to try and find a commercial cd I can buy with payal.

I just want to experience it and if I like it then I might pursue recording myself.

[gucci99]

Hi Tom!

I went to the web site and have a look. (Neuro-Programmer)

Very informative!

Can i ask you a question?

Are you using headphone all the night?

Any changes you notice?

Ha,ha,sorry to ask so many question.

Because last time i read some monk who can meditate easily.

And i am very excited to study this topic"meditation".

As Bible also mentioned meditate "day and night".

And this was the great success key for many people.

I am currently working, can i hear from you ?

[TomSKinney]

Having completed the holosync levels, I don't really tend to use binaurals much anymore. I gave away my headphones with the range 5 Hz to 30 KHz, so it does me little good to work with carrier frequencies below 18 Hz, the current limitation of my regular headphones.

Isochronic beats are nice, which you can generate with NP2 - you don't need headphones to work with them, which is more convenient for sleeping. I do tend to fall asleep at night with headphones on when I still use binaurals, every few months to keep the momentum going, but I usually wake up after an hour and a half and take the headphones off. My dreams tend to be more vivid the rest of the night as material surfaces from being stirred up by the entrainment.

The biggest thing to watch for isn't your experiences during meditation. When you use binaurals regularly, you will find a certain pressure during routine activity. It is hard to describe. It feels a bit like being on edge, or just more irritable. This pressure is a good thing. It is causing you to adapt faster than you would without the entrainment. Traditional meditation has the same effect, but it is not as easy to maintain as wearing headphones or listening to isochronic beats on speakers because you have only your own efforts to keep things going with traditional meditation. The interesting thing is that after you have been using entrainment for a month or two, you will see increases in your ability to meditate without the help of entrainment. This effect increases with time, even if you do not use entrainment again. Mostly I just use MP3 files I already have from time to time when it feels like I'm having a difficult time with my traditional meditation, to ensure my continuing progress.

There was a technique called "Practicing the Presence of God". Just keep in mind at all times that God is with you and God is watching. You might be surprised how difficult it can be to do things you know to be wrong, or to fail to do things you know you should. It provokes a certain self-inquiry that fits under the category of constant prayer or meditation as you go through your daily routine. You can watch for signs of progress in your reactions to dream-circumstances.

[gucci99]

Ya, i really believe you are expect in this field!

You can write a book,really!

Very great and excited to hear from you!

I work as a supervisor at the site, sometimes i am wearing my headphone.

I listen to Innertalk's cd, entrainment one.

What is you opinion on continue listening entrainment cd?

I found i fell asleep sometimes, but i found a pleasure like you describe!

Just like the brain chemical that make us feel HAPPY.

You also mentioned the Brother Lawrence's book "practice the presence of God!"

I have come across that.

I try "extremely hard" to meditate. Including repeating the same verse.

I study many past great teacher on Devotion. St Theresa of Avila, St john the Cross etc etc

Can you recommend some website/books for me for further study?

I am from Malaysia.

Thank you for your  valuable time!


Abundantly,
alan

[gucci99]

You can describe the benefits of the entrainment.

What an encouragement you give to me and the world.

I seldom came across this type of information.

What i usually see is the company trying to sell the product and describe the benefit.

It was damn boring.

But your description mean you are practicing, not mere book knowledge.

I amaze every times when i come across reading some books.

Which, describe vividly and exactly the experience.

It seem humanize, I sense trust.

Ha,ha, hope to hear from you

[patrickjohn7]

Hey everyone,
I'm new to this forum...and most forums in general!  I acquired the Awakening Prologue and used it...it was incredibly expensive, yet quite enjoyable.  I kept trying to use it even longer, but after five-six months I began to develop intense pressure headaches and set it aside for awhile.  As far as the support from Centerpoint, it was somewhat useful...especially the ability to understand what is happening to you on a psycho-spiritual level.  I will say that it is prohibitively expensive and I doubt I'll buy any additional level.  Thanks for the heads up on the NP2...always looking for the leads to bigger, better-or less expensive solutions. 

See ya,
John

[TomSKinney]

In my opinion the best thing Bill Harris did was his book "Thresholds of the Mind" rather than his holosync program.

http://www.amazon.com/Thresholds-Mind-Bill-Harris/dp/0972178015/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/002-6010079-9514462?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1194536408&sr=8-1

It seems that there was a new edition as of early this year.

I'd suggest using inter-library loan if your local library doesn't carry it, though.

[DJNYC]

Hey Tom. I'm glad to encounter someone who's gone through all the levels of holosync.  I have a few questions which I'm sure you're fully equiped to answer.
Right now I'm just finishing up Awakening level 3 (I've already paid for Level 4 and it's in the mail).
Yesterday I was talking to a friend of mine who told me about ISOCHRONIC tones. He seems to think that they are more effective than binaural beats (holosync's method). I checked out a few products on the web that use them and they all claim that they are better than Binaural beat tech. I do realize that they want you to buy their product, but they do seem to have some convincing data behind their claims, plus the fact that their reasearch seems to be alot more recent than anything Bill Harris has done. I'm having doubts about whether or not I should continue with H-sync or try out some of these ISOCHRONICS. I've also heard recently that it's physically impossible for any of these technologies to "bring you down" into Delta wave mode. This is something that Holosync claims to do. If this is in fact impossible then everything that Holosync claims is suspect in my opinion.
Any thoughts or suggestions? Thanks!

[TomSKinney]

Having tried isochronic beats and binaurals (and monaurals, too) I still find that it is the brand which seems to matter more than the entrainment method, unless you don't want to wear headphones. Binaural beats require headphones, but I prefer to wear them even with isochronics and monaural beats. It just seems that most brands just get on my nerves too much to actually use. Since using holosync, I have also been able to make use of Kelly Howell's Brain Sync material, but before using holosync these also were too irritating. The isochronic and monaural beats I have tried were generated with Neuro-Programmer by Transparent Corp. This program is nice because you can use it to create your own version of holosync with your own background music and you can add subliminals as well.

Yes, I've heard that entrainment to delta doesn't work, even with binaurals. Bill Harris claims that he has proof it does, from EEG studies. Without having seen the EEG studies myself, I suppose I still have faith that he is being honest with us. It isn't like I was born knowing what it feels like to have delta waves dominant in my brain. Some people will tell you (or at least they told me, but maybe they think I'm unusually likely to believe them) that they just know when they are in alpha, theta, or delta as if there are signs welcoming them into each stage. With holosync the only way I knew I was in delta was that the singing bowls stopped and only the rain was going so it had to be the immersion track. Some days it felt like the entrainment was working better than others and then there were days that I had to just stop and start over. My guess is that the people who proved entrainment doesn't work to delta were having a problem with the ramping. Unless the frequency you are entraining at is close enough to where you are, you will actually entrain to some multiple of the frequency rather than the frequency itself. Holosync takes you down to delta over 20 minutes. Some days I did better at matching with the initial frequency and others I just started out too tense and did not get carried away like usual.

Really, I would suggest getting the book "Thresholds of the Mind" by Bill Harris and skipping his holosync in favor of Neuro Programmer by Transparent Corp. You can make isochronic and monaural beats with that program. I really don't know if isochronics will get you all the way to delta, but I really do believe that binaurals will do the trick and this program does both. They also have an online forum where you can get advice from people who are good at using the software.